Generation 15 Extensive

Fifteenth Generation

24576. NOYES502 was born. Either John who farmed the manor of Ramridge 1475-84 or Robert 1493-97. It is not certain which of these two men was the father of these children, but an analysis of the evidence indicates that they were siblings.

The surname NOYES is rare. It may have originated in East Anglia at a very early period. Land held by Walter Noyse was mentioned in a fine concerning land in ‘Scroteby’, Norfolk, on 10 May 1209. William and Simon Noysse were both listed in the Ville of Laxfield, in Hoxne Hundred, Suffolk, in 1327. There were six Noyse wills proved in the Court of Archdeacon of Suffolk before 1600: Robert Noyse, of Fressingfield, 1463; Agnes his widow, of Fressingfield, 1464; William, of Ubbeston, 1469; Robert, of Wingfield, 1471; William, of Laxfield, 1510; and Robert, of Laxfield, 1510.

The adjoining parishes of Laxfield, Fressingfield, Wingfield, and Ubbeston lie in the north-central part of the county. The chief landholder in the region then was the de la Pole family, first Earls, then Dukes of Suffolk. The land came into their family through the marriage of Katherine, heiress of Sir John de Wingfield, to Michael de la Pole, first Earl of Suffolk. The manor of Ramridge, Hampshire, had also been acquired through the Wingfield marriage. For this reason it is possible that the Duke sent one of his Suffolk men to oversee the distant Hampshire manor, founding the Noyes family in that county. Ramridge was important as one of the greatest fairs in England was held partly on its lands.

Ramridge was held by the first Earl of Suffolk at his death in 1391. The Wingfield estates passed to his eldest son, Michael, who succeeded as Second Earl (d. Sept. 1415), but, importantly, Ramridge was settled on the male heirs of his younger brother, Sir Thomas de la Pole. On Thomas’s death (21 Aug. 1420), it passed to his son Thomas, who died seised of ‘Ramrugge’ on 27 July 1430. Because he died without male issue, Ramridge passed to his cousin, William de la Pole (son of the Second Earl), who was created first Duke of Suffolk. Thus Ramridge was reunited with the Wingate estates in 1430. The first of the Noyes family in Hampshire may have arrived as servants of the first Duke of Suffolk at his manor of Ramridge about 1430-32. The court rolls of the manor of Ramridge record that Robert Noys was farming the manor (rendering its accounts) in 1432-33.

The Duke and his wife, Alice Chaucer, granddaughter and heir of the poet, were granted license to found God’s House, better known as Ewelme Hospital, in 1437, but it was not endowed with the manor of Ramridge until 1442. It was during this short period between 1430 and 1442 that a Noyse/Noyes from Laxfield or Wingate, Suffolk, might have ended up on the distant manor of Ramridge, as the Hospital would have had no Suffolk interests by which to draw a Noyes from that county to Hampshire.

The Noyes family continued as farmers of the manor of Ramridge for at least two more centuries. The court rolls are intermittent, so the line of descent in the earliest generations in Hampshire is not clear. Robert Noys is recorded as rendering accounts for the manor of Ramridge in 1432-33. John Noyse was the farmer of Ramrugge on 26 November 1476, 28 November 1477, 1478, 1482/3, and 1484. He likely died in the next few years, as Robert Noyes was farmer of Ramrugge in 1493 and 1497. The abstract under date 21 May 1 Henry VIII [1509] states, “To this court came Thomas Noyse and took of the lord a cottage called the Saynte with lands and one acre of meadow … to hold to the said Thomas and Agnes his wife and the longer liver of them – to pay heriot on death. And give as fine 20s. Same paid 19 Henry VIII (1503/4) [sic].” The entry for 27 September 4 Henry VIII [1512] reads, “presented that Thomas No[y]se farmer of this lordship and his predecessors, time out of mind, had amongst other things a parcel of land called the “Stallys” and “Bothis” lying on the King’s way leading E&W as appears by metes and bounds.” On 16 September 9 Henry VIII [1517] the Master of Ewelme granted Thomas Noyse the lease of the capital messuage of his manor of Ramrugge with the lands thereto belonging, courts, etc., excepting the advowson of Wee [Weyhill] Church, for a period of 50 years at a rent of £8 6s 8d. Another lease, dated 21 June 10 Henry VIII [1518] granted the same, at the same rate, for a period of 40 years. Thomas Noyse was farmer of the manor on 6 October 20 Henry VIII [1528] when he made agreements with his tenants This last Thomas Noyes is certainly Thomas Noyes (b. say 1488), from whom descent can be traced with certainty.

There are two likely scenarios by which Ramridge might have descended through the earliest generations of the Hampshire Noyes family. The first scenario assumes a direct descent through [1] Robert (b. say 1390), [II] John (b. say 1415), [III] Robert (b. say 1440), [IV] Thomas of Andover (b. say 1465), to [V] Thomas (b. say 1488).

The second scenario takes into account the possibility that the Robert who farmed Ramridge from 1493 to 1497 might have been Thomas’s uncle Robert, who later acquired the lease of the manor of Littleton, and may have held Ramridge during the minority of his nephew Thomas as guardian. The earliest [I] Robert (b. say 1390) who farmed Ramridge in 1432-33 would again be the first generation, then the second generation would be unknown. [III] John (b. say 1440) who farmed Ramridge from 1475 to 1484 would be next, and father of both [IV] Thomas (b. say 1465) mentioned in the court rolls of Andover 1490-1491, and Robert, of Kimpton, who farmed Ramridge from 1493 to 1497 during the minority of his nephew, [V] Thomas Noyes (b. say 1488).

But as only names and dates have been gleaned from the manorial records, no specific relationships are known with certainty until we reach Thomas Noyes (b. say 1488). It is impossible at this point to determine which descent is correct. NOYES had the following children:

i. Thomas NOYES498,503 was born about 1465 in Weyhill, Hampshire, England.498,504 NEHGR, Vol 149 has no date. Born possibly at Ramridge. NEHGR Vol 149: Appeared in the court rolls of Andover 24 August 1490, 20 September 1490 and 11 July 1491. Thomas is the earliest recorded Noyes to be found in the vicinity of Kimpton, which is about four miles northeast of Cholderton.

NEHGR Vol 152: May have been born about 1465. He died probably fairly young, leaving one male heir, but it is difficult to know which references relate to him and which to his son and heir Thomas. It is likely that he was the Thomas Noyes who is stated to be “mentioned in the court rolls of Andover” on 24 August and 20 September 1490 and 11 July 1491. He may also be the Thomas Noyes who, with his wife Agnes, held the cottage called “the Saynte” with lands and one acre of meadow for the term of their lives on 21 May Henry VIII [1509]. It is almost certain that Thomas was dead by 1515, as it is clear the Thomas mentioned in the entail of Littleton about 1515 was son Thomas. Assuming Thomas was an adult by 1515, he would possibly also be the Thomas Noyes who was “farmer of this lordship [Ramridge]” in 1512. This being the case, the son Thomas was born probably about 1488, or shortly thereafter.

12288 ii. Robert NOYES.

iii. NOYES was born about 1469 in Weyhill, Hampshire, England.499 Possibly Ramridge.

iv. NOYES was born about 1471 in Weyhill, Hampshire, England.499

v. William NOYES499,505 was born about 1480 in Weyhill, Hampshire, England.499 Born possibly at Ramridge. He died about 1530 in Urchfont, Wiltshire, England.499,506 Born say 1473; died ca. 1528, about which time his son William is stated to have begun occupying land belonging to the Rectory of Urchfont. William was mentioned in the Court Rolls of Urchfont in 1498; he was farming the manor of Urchfont in 1510/11, and was named as a juror there on 15 April 1512. In 1513, he held the manor and rectory of Urchfont of the Abbess of St. Mary, Winchester, and still occupied the demesne lands and rectory in 1518. He was first in a view of frankpledge at “Erchfont” 11 April 8 Henry VIII [1517], was mentioned also in 1519 and 1520, and ws listed at “Ercheffounte” in the subsidy of 14 & 15 Henry VIII [1523-24].

Robert Noyes, gentleman, has kept and pastured in Inlandes 5 horses, as if belonging to the Rectory of Erchfount; George Mortimer, occupier of the demesne lands of the manor belonging to site of manor or capital messuage, has pastured and kept 21 horses as in right of said demesne; and whereas William Noyes who had held and occupied as well the said demesne land as the land of the Rectory for 30 years in I Elizabeth, and before him William Noyes his father, grandfather of said Robert Noyes, occupied the same for many years, and Robert Noyes himself for 28 years past, and put only 21 horses on the said common pasture, the Inlands, one of them oppresses the pasture with foresaid horses; and at the next court the truth thereof is to be presented. [ADD ROLL 19,736 View of Frankpledge and Court at Erchfount 12 April, 31 Elizabeth]

24640. John KNIGHT died before 9 Sep 1549 in Romsey, Hampshire, England. He was born in Romsey, Hampshire, England. John KNIGHT and Mawde were married.

24641. Mawde was born. John KNIGHT and Mawde had the following children:

12320 i. John KNIGHT.

25376. COFFIN signed a will on 16 Nov 1601 in Plymouth, Devonshire, England.447 He left legacies to Joan, Anne and John, children of Nicholas Coffin; Richard and Joan, children of Lionel Coffin; Philip Coffin and his son Tristram; and appointed Nicholas, son of Nicholas Coffin, his executor. Brixton Parish. He died after 16 Nov 1601 in Plymouth, Devonshire, England.447 Of Butlers. Brixton Parish. Will (proved) in 1602 in Totness, Devonshire, England.447 COFFIN had the following children:

12688 i. Nicholas COFFIN.

ii. Lionel COFFIN447 was born. Mentioned in his father’s will anlon with his children.

iii. Philip COFFIN447 was born. Mentioned in his father’s will along with his son Tristram.

25816. Henry ROLFE was born about 1515.477 He died in 1558.477 He signed a will in 1558.477 Henry ROLFE were married.477 Henry ROLFE had the following children:

12908 i. Richard ROLFE.

25820. is the same as person number 12904.

25821. is the same as person number 12905.

One Response to Generation 15 Extensive

  1. Thomas Noyes says:

    Great site!, My father Robert came from some where back east ( I think Minnesota) as a child moved to Beach N.D. in the late 20’s and then to Seattle. His fathers name was Edward Walter Noyes and he married Francis Matter. They both resided in Seattle, Edward died in the early 50’s and my grandmother died in 1976. They had 3 children, Joseph, Walter and Robert. My uncle Joe ( died in the early part of WW2 / he was a flying sergeant for the U.S. Army National guard and he flew a B-17 named little Joe. He plane did not return from a bombing raid in France, His body was found on a beach in France and the rest of his crew was never found. My Father was Robert Edward Noyes, He married Rita Marie Slanzi and they had 10 children, who are all still alive. If I can aid in any more info please feel free to contact me.

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